Originally posted by Arcadeas, post: 51923:
Okay, first thing's first, think of FaceWAN like a lil puppy, and skill maps are chocolate... IF YOU FEED YOUR PUPPY CHOCOLATE, IT FUCKING DIES. The only reason I personally play on FaceWAN is because it has a nice small community and is combat surf. If I really wanted to play on a bunch of skill maps I wouldn't turn to FaceWAN... I would play on KSF since it is a 3x better skill mapping server, so why would FaceWAN want to put more skill maps in? You are just going to kill off all the people that come here for combat... really stupid to add all those maps in.. and 2nd, why remove loop and not dust? Loop has 2x more surf than dust does since you can literally sit on a roof with an AWP on dust and go 20/0. In the end it will be killing FaceWAN...
Then please suggest some good combat surf maps, by complaining about it without suggesting anything new won't do jack shit. And I addressed bigloop and surf_dust2 later in my post.
Originally posted by Moose, post: 51924:
Mmkay... Well nobody asked for your opinion sir, Part of adding new maps is so that the regulars have something to enjoy. Bitching because bigloop gets removed? The majority of the people that play on FaceWAN HATE bigloop with a passion, and the people that don't are the exactly the people we don't really want... The people that type /rank after every fucking death. My point, Shut up and enjoy what we've given you... Or gtfoscrub, Granted I may have went overboard with a few of those maps, I challenge you to find a bunch of DM maps that aren't either remakes, Shit, Or boring as fuck... Because there aren't a whole lot out there. Not to mention nobody is being forced to play the damn maps either, There is an RTV function. It's about what the majority wants anyhow, If it's a fucking skillmap then you are free to leave until it changes. If they don't want skillmaps they won't be played.
All right, let's not get into a flame war here about people who like using the /rank command and like getting it up. And it isn't really the majority of FaceWAN that hates bigloop to be honest, it's more 50/50 and I added to the remove list for a few reasons which I state below.
Originally posted by Furchee, post: 51925:
In my personal opinion, both Arcadeas' response and yours are valid.
The trick however is finding the solution in which both parties wont get butt-hurt. (And that's fairly god damn difficult)
The solution is that we need people to suggest more combat surf maps alongside the plethora of skill map suggestions. I know most surf people here think that their opinion can get out by just saying shit on the server when in reality, us super mods can't take note of all the suggestions. The only reason why we're adding those skill maps is because no one else suggested any combat surf maps. All these people just came here to complain about suggestions and the removal list even if they were registered for a little while. They should really think about contributing to the community and servers by suggesting decent maps.
Originally posted by rancor, post: 51927:
Maps to Keep: surf_10x_final surf_akai_final surf_cow-style surf_XIV_v2a surf_skyworld_unlimited.
10x was never removed, only the ugly final version was. Reloaded, which is the most popular, still is around. The same goes for akai_final, there is a final version where there are numbers in it.
As for cow-style, I personally believe we shouldn't give Mr. Cow any fame on our servers after he got himself banned and said he didn't give a shit about the servers. In my opinion, we shouldn't support assholes like that and boost their ego at all after they are banned. XIV had the forcebuy glitch which if someone can fix or find a fixed version for, I'd be more than happen to get it added again. Finally, skyworld was removed because of it's problem where top could easily be camped. It was a mess of poor level design because it just crams everyone into the same camping area where you'll most likely get knifed or shot as soon as you go out through the teleport. As always, I'm open to suggestions for fixes on this map too and I honestly don't believe the unlimited version fixed the camp unless someone can tell me otherwise.
Now onto one of the bigger topics, bigloop. The main reason for the idea of this removal is because half the time, it's just people bhopping around killing with a shotgun. I don't see how that can be considered surfing. Also, the huge clusterfuck in the middle of the map is also annoying and can easily be camped. If someone can fix or has a fix of this map with more surfing and less of a clusterfuck at the middle area, then I'd be open-minded enough to go for it to be added. However, if too many people bitch about this map, I guess we can keep it if it matters that much.
Also, surf_dust2_2008_final can be added to the remove list if people do not like it. I would be more than happy to agree with you on that as I wasn't the one to say it should stay.
For the amount of DM maps being removed, most of the reasons are because they are the same map or they are too linear for DM.
Right here I'll actually post the list of map removals with the reasoning behind it.
Regular Surf Map Removals:
surf_10x_final - Remove - surf_10x_reloaded is the best version.
surf_10x_scratch - Remove - surf_10x_reloaded is the best version.
surf_austinpowers_ffix - Remove - This crashed players at a certain part.
surf_2012_beta12 - Remove - Terrible full bright map.
surf_aim_akcolt - Remove - Not even surf.
surf_akai_final - Remove - surf_akai_f1n4l is the best version.
surf_akai_two - Remove - surf_akai_f1n4l is the best version.
surf_banocanyon_revamp_v3 - Remove - Not played.
surf_cow-style - Remove - Mr. Cow made it.
surf_skate_park_f1x3d - Remove - Not even surfing, just bhop.
surf_ny_bigloop_2008a - Remove - Clusterfuck and not even surf.
surf_teenpregnancy_lite - Remove - Not played.
surf_buck-around - Remove - Not played.
surf_buck-ed_up - Remove - Not played.
surf_drought_light2 - Remove - Massive spawn kill issue.
surf_fastspiral_2 - Remove - Not played/possible FPS issues.
surf_fastspiral_retro - Remove - Not played/possible FPS issues.
surf_greatest_river - Remove - xDream is the best version.
surf_greatriver - Remove - xDream is the best version.
surf_greatriver_neroxx_v1 - Remove - xDream is the best version.
surf_infinity - Remove - FPS issues.
surf_legends_lite - Remove - surf_legends is the best version.
surf_machine - Remove - surf_machine4 is the better version.
surf_machine2 - Remove - surf_machine4 is the better version.
surf_machine3_v1 - Remove - surf_machine4 is the better version.
surf_machine_reloaded - Remove - surf_machine4 is the better version.
surf_machine_remix_v2 - Remove - surf_machine4 is the better version.
surf_matrix_v7 - Remove - surf_matrix_v8 exists.
surf_ny_bigloop_v6 - Remove - Clusterfuck and not even surf.
surf_ny_momentum_v3_1 - Remove - Not played.
surf_ny__resist - Remove - Not played.
surf_skyscraper - Remove - surf_skyscraper_2005_prisonv4 is better.
surf_skyworld - Remove - Camping issues.
surf_skyworld2 - Remove - Camping issues.
surf_skyworld_double_b9 - Remove - Camping issues.
surf_skyworld_rocker - Remove - Camping issues.
surf_skyworld_unlimited - Remove - Camping issues.
surf_XIV_v2a - Remove - Exploitation of Force buy.
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Surf DM Map Removals:
surf_10x_scratch - Remove - Reloaded is the best version.
surf_austinpowers_ffix - Remove - Crashes players/linear.
surf_ag_texture_final - Remove - Linear.
surf_aim_akcolt - Remove - Not surf.
surf_akai_f1n4l - Remove - Linear.
surf_akai_final - Remove - Linear.
surf_blockfortv1 - Remove - Not surf.
surf_buck-around - Remove - Not played.
surf_buck-ed_up - Remove - Not played.
surf_drought_light2 - Remove - Spawn Killing issues.
surf_dusty_roads - Remove - Linear.
surf_electron - Remove - Linear.
surf_fastspiral_2 - Remove - Linear.
surf_fastspiral_retro - Remove - Linear.
surf_ffa_09_mh - Remove - Spawn killing issues.
surf_greatest_river - Remove - Neroxx is the best version for DM.
surf_greatriver - Remove - Neroxx is the best version for DM.
surf_greatriver_xdre4m - Remove - Neroxx is the best version for DM.
surf_hang_time_reloaded - Remove - Skill map.
surf_infinity - Remove - FPS issues.
surf_insignia_b1 - Remove - Skill map.
surf_intox - Remove - Skill map.
surf_legends_lite - Remove - surf_legends is the best version.
surf_machine - Remove - surf_machine4 is the best version.
surf_machine2 - Remove - surf_machine4 is the best version.
surf_machine3_v1 - Remove - surf_machine4 is the best version.
surf_machine_reloaded - Remove - surf_machine4 is the best version.
surf_machine_remix_v2 - Remove - surf_machine4 is the best version.
surf_matrix_v7 - Remove - surf_matrix_v8 is the best version.
surf_ny_bigloop_v6 - Remove - Not surf/clusterfuck.
surf_ny_momentum_v3_1 - Remove - Not played.
surf_ny__resist - Remove - Not played.
surf_rebel_resistance_final11 - Remove - Linear.
surf_skyscraper - Remove - Linear.
surf_skyscraper_2005_prisonv4 - Remove - Linear.
surf_skyworld - Remove - Camping issues.
surf_skyworld2 - Remove - Camping issues.
surf_skyworld_double_b9 - Remove - Camping issues.
surf_skyworld_rocker - Remove - Camping issues.
surf_skyworld_unlimited - Remove - Camping issues.
surf_tronic - Remove - Skill map.
surf_XIV_v2a - Remove - Obvious reasons.
surf_year3000 - Remove - Linear.
Infinity, Espeon, and myself spent a good amount of time in TS working on deciding this shit. Maybe some of the people who have suggestions should hop in as well so we can talk business about this. I, along with Infinity and Espeon are always open to suggestions about this stuff and would be happy to look into maps to make sure they are proper surf maps.
Edit:
Also people, please try to keep this civilized so we do not have a flame war here. This is a forum, not a place to trashtalk people who like /rank or people who like/don't like certain maps. I stated this above but I'll put it down here so hopefully people read it.
